Comments on: Problems at Socal Approach http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/ Ron's the name. Aviation's the game. Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:12:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Eric http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-21754 Eric Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:31:20 +0000 http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/#comment-21754 Sorry - make that (858) 537-8500. Sorry – make that (858) 537-8500.

]]> By: Eric http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-21753 Eric Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:26:32 +0000 http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/#comment-21753 Your best course of action would have been to call the facility THAT DAY and speak with the watch supervisor. That way, the events of the day are still fresh in everyone's memories and perhaps they might be able to explain what was going on (i.e. controllers in training, etc.) However, I recommend that you call SoCal anyway and speak with someone in Quality Assurance regarding your experience. The number for the facility is (619) 537-5900. Your best course of action would have been to call the facility THAT DAY and speak with the watch supervisor. That way, the events of the day are still fresh in everyone’s memories and perhaps they might be able to explain what was going on (i.e. controllers in training, etc.)

However, I recommend that you call SoCal anyway and speak with someone in Quality Assurance regarding your experience. The number for the facility is (619) 537-5900.

]]> By: Hamish http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-21719 Hamish Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:43:11 +0000 http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/#comment-21719 I was going to say that we're having the same sorts of problems up here with NorCal, but John's right -- it is getting better, slowly. But as someone who's recently had NorCal approach tell me to descend and maintain an altitude several thousand feet higher than my current altitude while simultaneously being vectored for the wrong approach, I'm still being extra vigilant... I was going to say that we’re having the same sorts of problems up here with NorCal, but John’s right — it is getting better, slowly. But as someone who’s recently had NorCal approach tell me to descend and maintain an altitude several thousand feet higher than my current altitude while simultaneously being vectored for the wrong approach, I’m still being extra vigilant…

]]> By: Ron http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-21711 Ron Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:05:58 +0000 http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/#comment-21711 I think the performance of the "new" FSS has skewed the Poor Service Principal far above Socal TRACONs power to add or detract. But if you exclude the neverending Lockheed gaffs, it just might even out. It's nice to know things aren't going to hell everywhere. Kudos to Norcal for getting it together; I hope the guys down here can eventually do the same. I think the performance of the “new” FSS has skewed the Poor Service Principal far above Socal TRACONs power to add or detract. But if you exclude the neverending Lockheed gaffs, it just might even out.

It’s nice to know things aren’t going to hell everywhere. Kudos to Norcal for getting it together; I hope the guys down here can eventually do the same.

]]> By: John http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-21707 John Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:05:51 +0000 http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/#comment-21707 Sorry to hear that the SoCal TRACON folks seem to be having problems. The odd thing is that NorCal TRACON services have gotten a whole lot better over the last few months. At first I thought it was me, but I've asked several pilots and they all have noticed it, too. My theory? They have new or improved management because it is management that sets the tone for everyone to follow. Or maybe there is just some sort of Conservation of Poor Service Principal at work here? Sorry to hear that the SoCal TRACON folks seem to be having problems.

The odd thing is that NorCal TRACON services have gotten a whole lot better over the last few months. At first I thought it was me, but I’ve asked several pilots and they all have noticed it, too. My theory? They have new or improved management because it is management that sets the tone for everyone to follow.

Or maybe there is just some sort of Conservation of Poor Service Principal at work here?

]]> By: Micah http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-21681 Micah Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:53:52 +0000 http://www.rapp.org/archives/2007/09/socal_approach_problems/#comment-21681 It's a challenge everywhere right now. The experienced controllers are retiring in droves, and the new guys are being certified way too soon in order to cover for the retirements. You are absolutely right. It's going to get worse. Please keep in mind that we are doing the best that we can with what we have. It’s a challenge everywhere right now. The experienced controllers are retiring in droves, and the new guys are being certified way too soon in order to cover for the retirements.

You are absolutely right. It’s going to get worse.

Please keep in mind that we are doing the best that we can with what we have.

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